It Is Time We Move Out From Under the CFO Shadow
Posted on Nov 26, 2012 by Richard Chambers
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Posted on Nov 26, 2012 by Richard Chambers
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I wholeheartedly agree with the ideas in this post. Internal audit impairment is the previously silent topic that should be fully discussed in our community.
In the olden days when I was an audit pup we focused on financial controls and operational efficiencies, and independence was most easily achieved through a structured reporting relationship to the CEO. As an audit pup I recall several occasions when I was asked to come sit on the CEO's couch and chat with he and the senior leadership team about controls and the exposures. A reporting relationship to the CFO was considered risky in those days as we did not want the undue influence on the financial audit outcomes. Fast forward 37 years to present and our world has changed dramatically, and has become risk driven. Not financial risk, or IT risk, or operations or compliance risk - business risk.
When I joined my present employer 10 years ago, Internal Audit reported to the CFO. He understood Internal Audit and its role - he got it. It worked well and when we needed a push from above to get the audittee's cooperation it was there. Yes, we did financial audits. Some at the request of the CFO, and others due to the risk. In every audit, both the CFO and CEO were briefed about the results, and each signed the reports. Fast forward 10 years and the CFO has retired. The new CFO doesn't "get" Internal Audit and we report to the CEO. Of course we don't see the CEO unless we bump into him in the cafeteria, so we no longer have the readily available and visible support.
So from my view, what is most important is finding or creating intellectual independence within senior ranks and finding the one key person in senior leadership that "gets it" and is visibly supportive of the Internal Audit function and role. As long as we have that ingredient, and a properly staffed audit committee, the audit universe is our oyster.
I agree with Bruce. From personal experience, reporting to a member of executive team who 'gets it' and is openly (this is important) supporting of IA seems much better than reporting to an 'invisible' CEO (form over matter?). While the reporting line in the executive team may depend on the nature of business and all other relevant factors - CFO, General Counsel, Chief Compliance Officer,... - someone who 'get it' would support IA openly and also realize the full potential of IA to contribute, not only by way of assurance on controls and risks but going much beyond into the 'consulting' role as per IIA definition. And with the tilt of IA work anyway shifting away from a focus on financial audits to more operational and strategic assignments, reporting to a CFO should not be seen to be a handicap, especially if the benefits as above are realized in practice.
I agree 110% with Richard. I"ve a fan of Larry Sawyer's vision from my first exposure to Sawyer's Internal Auditing. Just as the profession was waking up to the ramifications of the 90's outsourcing of ineffective IA shops and started heading in the direction of Sawyer's vision, Enron set us back 30 years. In my experience, too few executives got the IA philosophy as defined in the IIA Standards (and perhaps did not even care). Instead they used their positions to drive the focus of IA in directions inconsistent with the philosophy of the Standards and best practices. One anecdote comes to mind: Many years ago at the quarterly audit committe meeting, one member ask if it was a best practice for the IA department to report to the CFO, who was a CPA. As a CIA, I was the only one in that room qualified to answer comprehensively and candidly based on the IIA Standards. But I couldn't, for 3 reasons: (1) the Big 4 partner in charge jumped right in and said that such reporting was "common practice" and *she* didn't have a probelm with it; (2) The CFO, a key player in retaining the external auditors and a former Big 4 auditor, thought it was just fine that IA should reside in the CFO organization and focus on cost savings and financial control weaknesses (in an industry where reputational damage and liability/sanction risks could have brought the organization to its knees); and (3) I reported to the CFO and got a sharp look that said "keep quiet". Not only would I not now even consider taking a position unless it reported functionally to the audit committe chair and administratively to the CEO, and I also would want to be sure that there was an IA charter in place that clearly expressed and reinforced the philosophy of the IPPF and the IA mission in the organization. To paraphrase W. Edwards Deming, without theory (the IPPF) there can be no profound knowledge; and without profound knowledge, there can be no professionalism.
For 15 years, I reported to two different CEO's administratively and functionally to the outside board of directors. On a regular basis the CFO would remind everyone that the CAE at nearly all other companies reported to the CFO. The CEO would regularly indicate that the CAE had his "back covered" and really all the CFO wanted was the CEO's job [you can read my story in the June 2012 Internal Auditor magazine starting on page 31].
The issue that prompted the CAE reporting relationship to move away from the CFO in 1985 was the result of the fallout from a $656,550 duplicate payment that had the hand written signature of the CFO and the Senior Vice President & Treasurer (all checks over $50,000 required dual signature). In fact the first payment two months prior also had their signatures.
The CFO instructed the CAE that because the check was stopped in the mail room from going out that it was not worth reporting to the Audit Committee at the next board meeting. The external final four accounting firm of course backed the CFO and even polled their four other insurance clients.
While everyone was busy arguing and blaming each other, internal audit expanded the testing and found a $79,000 duplicate payment some 6 months ago to the same payee and both checks were cashed. [Using data analysis software made this a very simple task.]
The CEO and the audit committee agreed that audit would move to administratively reporting to the CEO.
One thing I immediately learned is the CEO paints very few targets but expects you to hit everyone. Past CFOs that I reported to painted a different target when ever the wanted to.
The second most valuable lesson I learned is that by sitting in on the CEO's meetings internal audit knew what the C suite knew (or did not know) and that proved invaluable when writing audit reports.